Reply to atheist arguments on BBC Big questions programme - On the 10th May 2015, the BBC broadcast a pre-recorded software, ‘The Big Questions’ celebrating 800 years of the Magna Carta (an agreement between rich Barons and the English Monarchy, to limit his powers). The software’s name for discussion was ‘Has Human Rights Law Achieved greater than Religion?’, and capabilities a lively one hour dialogue on whether or not Human Rights is viable with out religion, and whether faith is an impediment to Human Rights – and does Secular know-how of Human Rights suffer from inflicting variations in interpretation, utility and at instances, injustice.
The guests invited to discuss and debate this question have been:
Shami Chakrabarti (Liberty)
Abdullah al-Andalusi (Muslim Debate Initiative)
Peter Tatchell (LGBT and Human Rights campaigner)
Major General Timothy Cross, retired British Army officer
Andrew Copson (Director of British Humanists Association)
Reverend Lynda Rose, spokesperson for ‘Anglican Mainstream’
Rabbi Jackie Tabick, Reformed Judaism
Lez Henry, Poet and Writer and Lecturer in Criminology
Adam Wagner, Human rights and public regulation barrister
Michael Mumisa, Cambridge Scholar and Academic on Asian and Middle Eastern Studies
Maryam Namazie (Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain)
Link: http://thedebateinitiative.Com/2015/05/10/bbc-debate-has-human-rights-regulation-performed-extra-for-humanity-than-faith-the-large-questions/
Brother Abdullah Andalusi did an amazing
job on every occasion he replied however unfortunately he did no longer get sufficient time. Below are a list of a number of the arguments
which the atheist promoters of human rights advise against faith and since
I am a Muslim I could respond back maintaining
Islam in angle. Please be aware these replies are not a complete thorough
rebuttals or refutations; as an alternative these are a few factors which muslims ought to
hold close from and further difficult or formulate their solutions on. More so I am completely aware that those may be
replied in a ramification of approaches , even higher however I wish this effort serves to be
beneficial in a few ways at-least.
The guests invited to discuss and debate this question have been:
Shami Chakrabarti (Liberty)
Abdullah al-Andalusi (Muslim Debate Initiative)Peter Tatchell (LGBT and Human Rights campaigner)
Major General Timothy Cross, retired British Army officer
Andrew Copson (Director of British Humanists Association)
Reverend Lynda Rose, spokesperson for ‘Anglican Mainstream’
Rabbi Jackie Tabick, Reformed Judaism
Lez Henry, Poet and Writer and Lecturer in Criminology
Adam Wagner, Human rights and public regulation barrister
Michael Mumisa, Cambridge Scholar and Academic on Asian and Middle Eastern Studies
Maryam Namazie (Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain)
Link: http://thedebateinitiative.Com/2015/05/10/bbc-debate-has-human-rights-regulation-performed-extra-for-humanity-than-faith-the-large-questions/
Brother Abdullah Andalusi did an amazing
job on every occasion he replied however unfortunately he did no longer get sufficient time. Below are a list of a number of the arguments
which the atheist promoters of human rights advise against faith and since
I am a Muslim I could respond back maintaining
Islam in angle. Please be aware these replies are not a complete thorough
rebuttals or refutations; as an alternative these are a few factors which muslims ought to
hold close from and further difficult or formulate their solutions on. More so I am completely aware that those may be
replied in a ramification of approaches , even higher however I wish this effort serves to be
beneficial in a few ways at-least.
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Argument # 1 through Peter Tatchell (LGBT and Human Rights campaigner) : “For a Millennia, Organized religion has been complicit inside the mass oppression of women, Gay humans,
responsible for slavery, the inquisition, and plenty of different abuses. “ Page three
responsible for slavery, the inquisition, and plenty of different abuses. “ Page three
Argument # 2 via Andrew Copson (Director of British Humanists Association) One
of the high-quality factor about human rights in particular about the normal
declaration (law) which you mentioned within the beginning is exactly that it's miles
now not dependent on one particular tradition, I suppose it's far untrue to say it stands
from a Judaic Christian tradition. One of the great matters approximately the Universal
Declaration shaped in the past due 40’s (1940) that it draws in cultural
suggestion and authors from on everywhere in the global, there are Confucianists
scholars there, there are Christian students there, there are humanists, criminal
students and that blending of all this is excellent in human subculture to produce this
[speech unclear] right is what's satisfactory and universalism about this human right
“ Page five
of the high-quality factor about human rights in particular about the normal
declaration (law) which you mentioned within the beginning is exactly that it's miles
now not dependent on one particular tradition, I suppose it's far untrue to say it stands
from a Judaic Christian tradition. One of the great matters approximately the Universal
Declaration shaped in the past due 40’s (1940) that it draws in cultural
suggestion and authors from on everywhere in the global, there are Confucianists
scholars there, there are Christian students there, there are humanists, criminal
students and that blending of all this is excellent in human subculture to produce this
[speech unclear] right is what's satisfactory and universalism about this human right
“ Page five
Argument # three :
By Mariam Namazie (Ex Shi`a now atheist – Council of Ex
Muslims)- “…..If you have a look at organized faith, in case you are a shi`a – let’s say
as I turned into born into – the sunnis aren't precise enough ; If you’re a Muslim ladies…
their testimony is really worth half that of a person; If you’re gay you ought to be thrown
off the constructing – I am speaking about the tenants it's miles the tenants of the
organized faith – the loss of life penalty for apostasy it is in Muhammad’s hadeeth
for example . So what I am attempting to say is that the distinction between
non secular regulation vs Human rights regulation is that Human rights law places people at
the center whereas spiritual laws places God on the middle “ Page 6
By Mariam Namazie (Ex Shi`a now atheist – Council of Ex
Muslims)- “…..If you have a look at organized faith, in case you are a shi`a – let’s say
as I turned into born into – the sunnis aren't precise enough ; If you’re a Muslim ladies…
their testimony is really worth half that of a person; If you’re gay you ought to be thrown
off the constructing – I am speaking about the tenants it's miles the tenants of the
organized faith – the loss of life penalty for apostasy it is in Muhammad’s hadeeth
for example . So what I am attempting to say is that the distinction between
non secular regulation vs Human rights regulation is that Human rights law places people at
the center whereas spiritual laws places God on the middle “ Page 6
Argument # four through Andrew Copson (Director of
British Humanists Association)“….. If you’d simply concentrate you’ll pay attention that I am
agreeing with you. I am announcing that, that (historical imperialism) became incorrect.. I
am saying that human rights comes after in the twentieth century as a reaction to
that and in opposition to other evils which have happened , If you study the Universal
declaration there is an notable moment inside the past due 1940’s while humans from all
over the world have come collectively and said ‘Look in the tab of thinegs of
what’s came about, just in the previous couple of decades.. That is a fantastic line (in
the statement that announces) “These matters have outraged the conscious of
humanity “ and its humans announcing what passed off inside the past was wrong (along with)
racism has passed off, religious discrimination has occurred, most of these
violations of dignity they’ve took place so speedy specifically in Europe after
centuries of spiritual Anti-Semitism – all these items are incorrect….” Page
eight
British Humanists Association)“….. If you’d simply concentrate you’ll pay attention that I am
agreeing with you. I am announcing that, that (historical imperialism) became incorrect.. I
am saying that human rights comes after in the twentieth century as a reaction to
that and in opposition to other evils which have happened , If you study the Universal
declaration there is an notable moment inside the past due 1940’s while humans from all
over the world have come collectively and said ‘Look in the tab of thinegs of
what’s came about, just in the previous couple of decades.. That is a fantastic line (in
the statement that announces) “These matters have outraged the conscious of
humanity “ and its humans announcing what passed off inside the past was wrong (along with)
racism has passed off, religious discrimination has occurred, most of these
violations of dignity they’ve took place so speedy specifically in Europe after
centuries of spiritual Anti-Semitism – all these items are incorrect….” Page
eight
Argument #5 By Mariam Namazie (Ex Shi`a now atheist –
Council of Ex Muslims) “I suppose this is any other suitable instance of what’s incorrect
with using faith as a basis due to the fact plenty of it's miles upto interpretation and
that may be a fundamental trouble. If you’re going to wait for a person to interpret
ladies’s rights higher than the translation of the Islamists, you could’t wait
around for interpretations. The other problem is the folks who are in electricity that
decide what the interpretation is; the one that’s going to be law and consequently
it's miles virtually essential that we have a foundation that human rights and those are
identical irrespective of their religion and ideals …. “ Page nine
Council of Ex Muslims) “I suppose this is any other suitable instance of what’s incorrect
with using faith as a basis due to the fact plenty of it's miles upto interpretation and
that may be a fundamental trouble. If you’re going to wait for a person to interpret
ladies’s rights higher than the translation of the Islamists, you could’t wait
around for interpretations. The other problem is the folks who are in electricity that
decide what the interpretation is; the one that’s going to be law and consequently
it's miles virtually essential that we have a foundation that human rights and those are
identical irrespective of their religion and ideals …. “ Page nine
Argument # 6 through Peter Tatchell (LGBT and Human
Rights campaigner) : “… allow us to understand the reality
that half of the world’s populace are women, they may be pressed on a big scale
and face the most humiliating degradation and discrimination and in almost most
instances that is supported by means of organized faith…” Page eleven
Rights campaigner) : “… allow us to understand the reality
that half of the world’s populace are women, they may be pressed on a big scale
and face the most humiliating degradation and discrimination and in almost most
instances that is supported by means of organized faith…” Page eleven
Argument # 7 By Mariam Namazie (Ex Shi`a now atheist –
Council of Ex Muslims)“…The fact of the problem is that if we agree that it turned into
written for instances before (handiest) then therefore human rights subculture desires to go
beyond faith, If we agree however great it might be for that period however…..
if you have to depend on divine law you need to get into plenty of hassle like
in Iran you've got girls nonetheless being stoned to loss of life, you've got homosexual human beings being
performed . If you have societies that depend upon religion you get into a variety of
trouble..” Page 12
Council of Ex Muslims)“…The fact of the problem is that if we agree that it turned into
written for instances before (handiest) then therefore human rights subculture desires to go
beyond faith, If we agree however great it might be for that period however…..
if you have to depend on divine law you need to get into plenty of hassle like
in Iran you've got girls nonetheless being stoned to loss of life, you've got homosexual human beings being
performed . If you have societies that depend upon religion you get into a variety of
trouble..” Page 12
Argument # 8 by using Adam Wagner, Human rights and
public regulation barrister“…and they (religion) do come to an increase from tribalism
and consequently your tribe gets higher rights than another tribe and human rights
says some thing like the contrary that is like we don’t recognize this some
type of racial or tribal or spiritual hierarchy in human society and in reality we
are going to create liberal societies in which all the distinct tribes and races
and what have you have been mixed collectively peacefully and with dignity and that
is what human rights is… we have to be sincere, religious society now, forget
about 2000 years in the past however now societies ruled consistent with what God says
whichever god it is tends to be less
liberal less loose than societies that are ruled through liberal concepts and we
must ask is that because of faith or dictatorial leaders using non secular
concepts to justify their awful rule….” Page 13
public regulation barrister“…and they (religion) do come to an increase from tribalism
and consequently your tribe gets higher rights than another tribe and human rights
says some thing like the contrary that is like we don’t recognize this some
type of racial or tribal or spiritual hierarchy in human society and in reality we
are going to create liberal societies in which all the distinct tribes and races
and what have you have been mixed collectively peacefully and with dignity and that
is what human rights is… we have to be sincere, religious society now, forget
about 2000 years in the past however now societies ruled consistent with what God says
whichever god it is tends to be less
liberal less loose than societies that are ruled through liberal concepts and we
must ask is that because of faith or dictatorial leaders using non secular
concepts to justify their awful rule….” Page 13
Argument #9 through Shami Chakrabarti
(Liberty) “..Yes it's far our commercial enterprise (to critique or object to what others
do which includes flogging a person for abusing god) because you spot I trust in
Multiple identities , there are human beings on this room right here who're my fellow
women there are people on this room with faith, with out faith and we're
entitled to the ones multiple identities but the last identity is that of
being a man or women and why do we care about other humans’s daughters due to the fact
if you agree with in human rights you believe in other people’s children and love
them as you have to love your personal. And so any person else’s daughter on the opposite
aspect of the planet isn't healthy for torture and rape and genital mutilation any
extra than a daughter of everyone in this u . S .…” Page 14
(Liberty) “..Yes it's far our commercial enterprise (to critique or object to what others
do which includes flogging a person for abusing god) because you spot I trust in
Multiple identities , there are human beings on this room right here who're my fellow
women there are people on this room with faith, with out faith and we're
entitled to the ones multiple identities but the last identity is that of
being a man or women and why do we care about other humans’s daughters due to the fact
if you agree with in human rights you believe in other people’s children and love
them as you have to love your personal. And so any person else’s daughter on the opposite
aspect of the planet isn't healthy for torture and rape and genital mutilation any
extra than a daughter of everyone in this u . S .…” Page 14
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